Today...

[Zazu]

So today I got my peta vegetarian starter kit in the mail. And I swore once I got that, I would give up meat. I also got cute stickers 'saying don't buy leather!" or "no fur" ..yeah..
And then I went to winners.. found a nice pair of cheap shoes... looked like they were really nicely made... theyre made by "Vero Cuoio." So I got home and tried to see if it was an okay brand name...
Turns out "Vero Cuoio" means Real Leather. :(

[bipolarskizo]

dang...

i'm trying to devote myself to cruelty-free meat, but it's turning out to be more difficult than i thought...

[saintlike_ontheoutside]

I've ordered that kit more than 3 times!
They never ever sent it!

[historyissecondhand]

My friend from work got free stickers with little cows on them that say "meats no treat for those you eat" and a poster tacked up in her cubicle of chickies. It says "we are not nuggets."

I couldn't do it.

[birdystar]

ive been vegetarian for 4(ish) years. working on going vegan.
peta bugs me. i started out thinking they were great, but now, not so much.
going to keep my mouth shut cos flaming isnt nice.

but good luck. its only hard for the first month. really.

as for the shoes. you didnt know, so dont beat your self up over it. i ate eggs the other day and didnt know it. i got a bit ill too. my bodys way of saying "hey genius, read the label" i guess.

[klc1168]

I was a lacto-ovo vegetarian for about 2 years but gave up. I felt good but I just can't be bothered to worry about what my shoes are made of and every ounce of everything I put in my mouth. I can't help it, I'm an omnivore and I intend to stay that way.

Good luck if you can do it. PETA worries me, they are too militant for my tastes and they remind me of holy rollers trying to convert everyone. In my opinion (and it is strictly that) your diet should be like your religion. It should be your own business.

Sorry if I offend anyone I surely don't mean too.

[birdystar]

PETA worries me, they are too militant for my tastes and they remind me of holy rollers trying to convert everyone. In my opinion (and it is strictly that) your diet should be like your religion. It should be your own business.


^QFT

[CarolineKondos]

Congratulations on your journey to becoming a vegetarian! That's a great step!
I've been a vegetarian for more than 11 years (I'm 19), and I have to say, it only gets easier with time!
I am not a vegan, though, and I do occasionally wear leather (not intentionally--sometimes I accidently end up buying shoes that I don't realize until later have leather). Don't beat yourself up over little things like a pair of leather shoes, for now (or never if you don't feel the need!), as it will only make it harder to commit to vegetarianism! Start off slow--ease yourself into it a little bit.

[mar]

i hate peta!!! sorry if this offends anyone! peta is like everyone HAS to be vegetarian or vegan and dont wear leather and it stupid!!!! it a choice.!!! most of the animals that we kill for meat are only there because we use them for meat!!!

any who yep i did the vegetarian thing for a week just to see if i could last a week. i just stoped eating meat and just didnt eat it. i found it quite easy although i mostly lived off peanut butter and jelly....oh wait i do that anyway!!!

yeah i dont eat much meat annyway unless its bacon or steak or steak wraped in bacon! other than that i can take or leave the meat.......when i was a kid i didnt like meat.

hmmm maybe i should um also say that i once killed a chicken? yep shot it with a pellet gun.....but befor you get mad the evil chicken had it comeing it was eating eggs and pecked some lil chicks to death....evil!!! of corse my mum has a rule you kill it you have to clean, cook, and eat it. never again the chopping off of the head didnt bother me but chickens stink!!!
not like a dear but much worse!!!!

[CarolineKondos]

most of the animals that we kill for meat are only there because we use them for meat!!!
...and not to offend you, but does the fact they were "created" for the sole purpose of your consumption justify the fact that they are often victims of cruelty both in life and in their dyeing moments?
If a meat-eater can watch the videos from a typical slaughter-house and still consume meat, that is fine with me, but it is naive to not expose yourself to facts.
I agree that Peta is a bit extremist in their views, and pushy with their ideas, but generally they are trying to do something that is a worthwhile cause. Do not let the extremists set the tone for the whole cause itself.

[mar]

ok now i am against being crule to the animals i mean aside from slaughtering them.i think veal is sick!!! most of my meat here lately hasnt come from a slaughter house see some one shoots the deer and then they just stupid game hunters (if you aint gonna eat it dont kill it) and so they give it to my dad and me and him go out and well..to spare those(like my brother) with week stomachs...take care of it.AND please dont say that killing dears is crule if your gonna eat it its fine!!! if no one hunted them they would over populate and get runover by crazy drivers!!

Peta is a bit extremist that realy the only problem i have with them every one is entitaled to their opinons and you should be crule even if you are just gonna kill and eat the thing.

and yes they were created to be ate :

Act 10:13 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Act&chapter=10&verse=13&version=kjv#13) And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

Luk 15:23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Luk&chapter=15&verse=23&version=kjv#23)And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill [it]; and let us eat, and be merry:

if its in the bible its good enough for me!!

[CarolineKondos]

Just so you know, the slaughtering taking place in the slaughtering houses is most often not humane. For pigs it often involves tying them upside-down by their legs(alive), then slitting their throats and letting them bleed out. They convulse violently until they are dead. If something is killed humanely with the least pain possible then fine. But in reality that's not what occurs.
Everyone on Threadbanger wants to seem environmentally conscience--so why hasn't vegetarianism been looked at by more people? The raising of these animals creates many environmental problems, especially within the beef industry.
Act 10:13 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Act&chapter=10&verse=13&version=kjv#13) And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

Luk 15:23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Luk&chapter=15&verse=23&version=kjv#23)And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill [it]; and let us eat, and be merry:
It's ridulcous for you to use these quotes in defense of your "animals are created for us". It is not applicable.
I mean, the Bible also states that man is in charge of watching over the animals, and supplying them with fair treatment.
Before "sin" occurred in the Garden of Eden hunting did not occur! Adam and Eve lived soley on a vegetarian diet. Sooo, with that in mind, wouldn't you rather live as sin free as possible and not eat meat? Just saying, if you are using religion to try and back up your arguement....

[iamtyping]

It's ridulcous for you to use these quotes in defense of your "animals are created for us". It is not applicable.
I mean, the Bible also states that man is in charge of watching over the animals, and supplying them with fair treatment.
Before "sin" occurred in the Garden of Eden hunting did not occur! Adam and Eve lived soley on a vegetarian diet. Sooo, with that in mind, wouldn't you rather live as sin free as possible and not eat meat? Just saying, if you are using religion to try and back up your arguement....


Hon, just to pop in and say, Mar said "I am against being cruel to animals" So it is applicable. *pet* *pet* Sorry for the petting, it's just so fun.

*ahem* Before "sin" occured in the Garden of Eden, people did not know the difference between right and wrong, so how could anyone live sin-free is there was no difference?

Also, Adam & Eve's Son Abel was a sheep farmer, killed the first-born lamb of his sheep and gave the best parts of it to the Lord. The Lord was very pleased with this, but not pleased with Cain's offering of vegetables. That's why Cain killed Abel.... so wouldn't eating meat be better if we offered some to the Lord?

Juuuust wondering here.:D

[qapla47]

If you are worried about the killing practices of slaughter houses, there are a couple of alternatives. And I'm not talking about Tofu. You can buy free range and Angus meats. These are animals who don't live in pens and aren't stuffed full of hormones. You can also buy Halal or Kosher meats. These animals are killed in very specific means, according to their respective biblical practices, and are done in humane ways.
Now these meats tend to be a bit more expensive, but they can help assuage some of the guilt, while still allowing you to get all the protein and vitamins you need. And incidentally, the slaughter houses PETA choose for their videos, are not the norm. They are the worst. I've been to slaughter houses before, and they don't use those barbaric means to to slaughter the animals.

[saintlike_ontheoutside]

PETA are extremist but I agree with them al the way.
Respect earth and it will respect you.
Who knows what all those hormones and growth chemicals they put into meat can do to you.
So by reassuring yourself that it is JUST meat and people have always eaten it is a bit ignorant.

[saintlike_ontheoutside]

Act 10:13 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Act&chapter=10&verse=13&version=kjv#13) And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

Luk 15:23 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Luk&chapter=15&verse=23&version=kjv#23)And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill [it]; and let us eat, and be merry:

if its in the bible its good enough for me!!
Not good enough for me, sorry buddy.

I think it is wrong to bring religion into the midst of this.
This is about us today, not people somebody belives exist.


Also, seeing as though non-chrisians will simply dismiss your arguments if all you have to say is, "it's in the bible!"

[CarolineKondos]

slaughter houses PETA choose for their videos, are not the norm
Just as you think this, the slaughter houses you observed may not be the norm. And besides, if one slaughter house is allowed to do horrible things (legally), then why wouldn't others, to keep the cost down? Don't fool yourself into thinking everyone cares.
And no, I still don't find those verses applicable. Even if they were, Christians do not follow A LOT of what is in the Bible (see the Old Testament--lots of rules Christians to do practice).
So, vegetarianism is wrong? Because if Adam and Eve didn't know the difference between right and wrong, and no wrong(sin) existed, then wouldn't they be doing all "right" in practicing vegetarism? Rhetorical question, BTW.
I agree with you, saintlike_, very much so. It IS largely a matter of respect for the world around us.

[Coffee]

You can also buy Halal or Kosher meats. These animals are killed in very specific means, according to their respective biblical practices, and are done in humane ways.

Stringing an animal up by its' rear legs and slitting the throat so that it can bleed out, while saying prayers over the animal, isn't what I would call any more humane than the alternative.


Meat is murder, period. It is the taking of life.
If you can get to grips with that, fine. But don't try to sit on a moral high horse because dead monks a thousand years ago decided the bible should be translated one way and not another.

[olinka]

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[saintlike_ontheoutside]

olinka, I think this is the wrong thread.

But anyway, I agree with Coffee and CarolineKudos.
Don't make excuses, meat is murder. Plain and simple. I'm not trying to gross you out, but don't try to justify it, I don't really care about your personal decisions.

"If slaughter houses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian."
~Sir Paul McCartney

[mar]

Just as you think this, the slaughter houses you observed may not be the norm. And besides, if one slaughter house is allowed to do horrible things (legally), then why wouldn't others, to keep the cost down? Don't fool yourself into thinking everyone cares.
And no, I still don't find those verses applicable. Even if they were, Christians do not follow A LOT of what is in the Bible (see the Old Testament--lots of rules Christians to do practice).
So, vegetarianism is wrong? Because if Adam and Eve didn't know the difference between right and wrong, and no wrong(sin) existed, then wouldn't they be doing all "right" in practicing vegetarism? Rhetorical question, BTW.

i never said vegetarism was wrong i just said that eating meat isnt wrong ....they can both be right!!!

and their deffanatly should be laws on how to slaughter the animals....as well as how to raise them.......i.e. no hormones and presevitives

ok ummm the bible does not say adam and eve didnt eat meat!! it doesnt say what they ate at all!!! it says the lord provided for them!! doest say what he provided


and christains dont follow the old testament because thats the old law. it was done away with when christ died !!! christains are to follow the knew testament if you read the bible its quite clear!


i can respect the fact that you dont belive the same things as me... but you dont need try to bash someones religion!! expecaily since you obviosly know very little about it!

[saintlike_ontheoutside]

Actually it is believed (by most Christians) that the whole world was vegetarian before God destroyed the humans. Hence, the animals on Noah's Ark did not eat each other.

But more importantly, why are we still talking about religion?

And seeing as though I was a Christian for 14 years of my life, I think I know about the religion, thank you very much.

[mar]

Actually it is believed (by most Christians) that the whole world was vegetarian before God destroyed the humans. Hence, the animals on Noah's Ark did not eat each other.

But more importantly, why are we still talking about religion?

And seeing as though I was a Christian for 14 years of my life, I think I know about the religion, thank you very much.

1 where did you get your numbers?

2 i have know idea but i should stop befor every one here hates me

3 their are over a thousand "christain" religions that doesnt include non christain religions so i doubt you know as much about religion as you think.

[bones]

Not to get into the middle of something, but aren't we a little frosty there mar?:);)

[Miss_Gagarin]

I'm glad I'm agnostic... I believe in Darwin, survival of the fittest and being an omnivorous creature. Just an animal given the curse of thought!!! :p

[Penny]

I'll have been vegan for three years come April.

I'd steer clear of PETA if I were you. Yes, it's important to educate the populace about animal cruelty, the negative effects animal products can have on one's health, and the impacts the meat industry has on the environment, but PETA does it in such a way as to turn people off of the message they're trying to bring. They are way too confrontational. People shouldn't have to see pictures or video footage of animals being abused unless they volunteered to, and no one should get accosted every time they try to have lunch at KFC.

PETA is to veganism what the Westboro Baptist Church is to religion.

ok ummm the bible does not say adam and eve didnt eat meat!! it doesnt say what they ate at all!!! it says the lord provided for them!! doest say what he provided


and christains dont follow the old testament because thats the old law. it was done away with when christ died !!! christains are to follow the knew testament if you read the bible its quite clear!
"And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food." -Genesis 1:29

This verse leads many Christians to believe that their god's original dietary plan was veganism. If they were also meant to eat animals, milk, and eggs it's logical to assume that it would have been mentioned just as these plants were.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven." -Matthew 5:17-20

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this passage mean that the laws outlined in the Old Testament are to be followed still? I've read most of the Bible, and I've never come across any verses saying that the Old Testament is now void. It seems like Jesus merely enhanced or furthered certain laws, while not abolishing any.

[Coffee]

Except for the ones which were explicitly detrcted, for example, the allowance for the eating of pork, shellfish, and snakes.

But folks, I really don't understand why the thread has taken this route. I'm sure there's a nice little corner where you can debate which part of the bible is the right one, but let's not drag this thread down that path.

To further what I've said...

Meat is murder, but that doesn't mean I'm a vegetarian. What it does mean is that I accept that meat is murder, and I make the link between the living animal and the meat products. Yes, I have killed an animal to eat before.

But there is nothing wrong with Vegetarianism or Veganism or any other dietary routine, so long as you take the time to make sure that you are healthy in doing it.

[Miss_Gagarin]

Finally...

Except for the ones which were explicitly detrcted, for example, the allowance for the eating of pork, shellfish, and snakes.

But folks, I really don't understand why the thread has taken this route. I'm sure there's a nice little corner where you can debate which part of the bible is the right one, but let's not drag this thread down that path.

To further what I've said...

Meat is murder, but that doesn't mean I'm a vegetarian. What it does mean is that I accept that meat is murder, and I make the link between the living animal and the meat products. Yes, I have killed an animal to eat before.

But there is nothing wrong with Vegetarianism or Veganism or any other dietary routine, so long as you take the time to make sure that you are healthy in doing it.

[saintlike_ontheoutside]

I'll have been vegan for three years come April.

I'd steer clear of PETA if I were you. Yes, it's important to educate the populace about animal cruelty, the negative effects animal products can have on one's health, and the impacts the meat industry has on the environment, but PETA does it in such a way as to turn people off of the message they're trying to bring. They are way too confrontational. People shouldn't have to see pictures or video footage of animals being abused unless they volunteered to, and no one should get accosted every time they try to have lunch at KFC.

PETA is to veganism what the Westboro Baptist Church is to religion.


"And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food." -Genesis 1:29

This verse leads many Christians to believe that their god's original dietary plan was veganism. If they were also meant to eat animals, milk, and eggs it's logical to assume that it would have been mentioned just as these plants were.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven." -Matthew 5:17-20

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this passage mean that the laws outlined in the Old Testament are to be followed still? I've read most of the Bible, and I've never come across any verses saying that the Old Testament is now void. It seems like Jesus merely enhanced or furthered certain laws, while not abolishing any.

Thank You.
I'm going to take the high road and avoid conversation with people who obviously cannot handle adult conversation or someone else with another opinion.


THREADBANGERS:
I am sorry for the way this thread has turned out.
Let's get back to the real topic:
VEGETARIANISM

[saintlike_ontheoutside]

I'm glad I'm agnostic... I believe in Darwin, survival of the fittest and being an omnivorous creature. Just an animal given the curse of thought!!! :p
I believe in karma and reincarnation.
I know it may sound kooky, but I believe that people who live a bad life, no matter what religion, are reincarnated until they can live a good life. While being reincarnated, they are passed down the food chain.
How this relates to vegetarianism? I guess just because I believe people who were once human reside in another bodie. So treat them like you want to be treated. I cannot preach though, seeing as though I'm not a vegetarian. I'm trying really hard to convert to vegetarianism, but it is proving a difficult task.

[CarolineKondos]

Wow. Everything seems to be handled before I could even reply :)
So...back to vegetarianism--
What vitamins are you fellow veggies taking? I just recently discoved the ones I'd been taking had gelatin in them (Women's Daily,I could've sworn I'd checked a bazillion times, but alas), and I've now switched over to Solaray "Calcium and Magnesium" with SuperNutrition's "Simply One".
Also, have any of you found any alternative's to gummy bears that don't have gelatin? Marshmallows?
My local organic store used to carry vegan marshmallows--but, somewhere in time they disappeared!

[Aurora199]

We're omnivores. Our bodies are designed to eat both plants and meat. People have a problem with us eating meat, but what about all the other animals that eat meat? Is it wrong for them to eat it? Do you feed your house pets tofu? lol

We can all have our own opinions and have no right to force others to accept them. It's like the people who come to my door every month trying to read the bible to me.

[saintlike_ontheoutside]

It is more of a matter of health.
Animals in the wild eat other wild animals.
We on the other hand eat captive animals that have been fed man-made food, injected with growth chemicals, and been frozen.
Unless you personally kill you meat from the wild, that arguement is not effective.

Once again, let's PLEASE not bring religion back into this!


CarolineKondos,
I know that gelatin has meat by-products, but what's wrong with marshmellows?

[Aurora199]

I know that gelatin has meat by-products, but what's wrong with marshmellows?

Marshmallows usually contain gelatin.

[saintlike_ontheoutside]

Marshmallows usually contain gelatin.
Ew? Really?

[broadwaybohemia]

I think that if I were to ever go back to eating meat, it would make me sick. I have been a vegetarian for three years this May. Now, I get nauseous just smelling meat cooking.